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Tony
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Caught!
UPDATED Mon, 28 Jan 2008 11:19:43 SEE BOTTOM OF PAGE.
INSIGHT! CAMDEN council.
The 60 seconds that put them under notice inviting them to a 'caught'!
This case; one of about six coming, that will be linked at the main
site index, is a detailed hold-your-hand through the entire Road
Traffic Act 1991, Parking Adjudicators - PATAS, Traffic Enforcement
TEC, and the Local County Court.
The council’s derogation of essential parts of it, along with
their their own code of conduct., used as a distraction, further the
interests of revenue, ahead of principles of Truth, Tort, Justice and
Fairness, by means of incentivised, and wholesale manufacture of
opportunism to confer SUBTRACTIONS described as
‘AWARDS’. One; of many, consequences is that the
increased power, re-labelled as ‘authority’
influences each court it comes in contact with, in a manner that
compromises that court’s integrity also.
At each stage of the process; referred to by PATAS reviews et al, as a
scheme; OED 5b. A plan of action devised in order to attain some end; a
purpose together with a system of measures contrived for its
accomplishment; a project, enterprise. Often with unfavourable notion,
a self-seeking or an underhand project,
FIVE INCONTROVERTIBLE SELF CONTRADICTIONS in just ONE LETTER alone;
others following, up to 12 contrarieties in that same single page
letter. Why this case being placed in the public Domain? It is an
ongoing process whose causal determinants belong to the council, as
former defendant; tacitly consenting by way of failure in response to
an invitation to resolve.
Then look at the second page and SEE EXACTLY how a Charge certificate
is manufactured in a false cause, by ECONOMIC and economic truth that
implies falsity. The council have expressly decided to not resolve the
issue, and tacitly consented to the move to publish all. Those
exchanges will be printed to show how and why.
The case is complex, only two letters of about twelve are seen at this
time. If people cannot understand the details in logic, and
disambiguation reasoning. then IT IS NOT FOR THEM.
Direct link
http://www.logiclaw.co.uk/Injustice/
The second page in this case has been posted, The fraudulent charge
certificate that manufactures commissions by way of omissions. HOW it
is done exactly.
The main link; that should be read first is
the two newer pages are
http://www.logiclaw.co.uk/Injustice/l1.html
and
http://www.logiclaw.co.uk/Injustice/l2.html
Old Menu link here....
http://www.logiclaw.co.uk/cmp_abs/index.html
The second case; known at http://www.twtanb.co.uk,/ is set to be
increased in the exchanges that took place in and out of court with the
court with the staff at Camden, and with the MP. Other cases will be
pinned to the main menu later, this is a lengthy task in the
unravelling, given the time alloted for such a thing that ought to not
even exist.
Sorry I am inadequately available at the present time to comment on
replies, PLEASE, IF ITS NOT FOR YOU, THEN DON'T READ IT. It's intended
to unravel and show truths about what is going on behind the
countenance of moral rectitude and probity that all is not what it
seems to be, and is presented as. The whole sequence relies mainly on
self contradictions, so it is an examination of how the parking laws
are being used to manufacture revenue in false cause actions.
What you will see at this stage is the allegations, claim, indefensible
false representations, truths and proofs, with the Judges comments AT
the short two hour hearing.
The other cases coming are of a similar nature, and in one case, a
large nationally known courier, the monitoring has gone on for months,
and shows procedural improprieties are rife.
For the new statutory legislation on parking the link for them is here.
http://www.logiclaw.co.uk/Acts/acts.html
The New Road Traffic Acts 2007. There are several useful parts in two
new procedures for appeals, but generally the new loosening of issuing
tickets for DRIVING, (away it is suggested) while parking are the major
new change giving licence to errant peccant wardens and councils to
increase incentivised issue of PCNs, for trivia, while trivialising
their own improprieties, the new nice name for offences.
APOLOGIES for any infelicities in advance, there is considerable
material to publish, and no hurry whatsoever. This has its pressures as
well as being distateful, so any errors please forgive with some little
tolerance. This is intended to help and clarify. It has no doubt its
imperfections, just like the daft drafts we are looking at which are
not quite so daft considering their design and purpose that is
perfectly clear.
For those whose views take the path, THIS IS TOO LONG, and BREVITY IS
THE SOUL OF WIT, it is suggested they take a short equation, E=MC2, and
explain it in ten words, OR explain in ten words why for example a
court case can't be properly summed up in 5 words, but gets published
in pages of justifications. Then take a book of law, and ask why anyone
bothered to publish its 400 pages when a word to the wise will suffice.
Verbum satis sapientis. Then take to task the man who wrote 'brevity is
the souls of wit' Shakespeare, and reason in ten words why he wrote 38
pieces and couldn't do it in a sentence.
It is hoped, but not expected, this will be useful to those who are at
the wrong end of. “Ignorance of the law is no s
excuse.”
Sat, 26 Jan 2008 15:14:03
The site has been updated, two sections,
[b]Contributors Pages, look at Barry Moss's contributions.[/b]
http://www.logiclaw.co.uk/pages/index.html
And
More detail, with added exchanges, so far this is about 10% of the case
material. Direct links for each letter, are at the top of the page.
http://www.logiclaw.co.uk/Injustice/
Main Index.
The FIVE / TEN MINUTE READ first INSIGHT
Sections 1-intro. 2-issues. 3-claim. 4-The letters, 5 Judge.
6-NON-Compliance args, Background
[b]1.A letter about mid-way in the case traversal; where early signs of
malfeasance were apprehended and anticipated, had now become
incontrovertibly crystallised..[/b]
a.CLICK here to see the letter that was the half way mad house in the
affair.
[b]2.The Trigger Charge Certificate that lead to the allegation of
wilful offenses & breaches of statute.[/b]
a.If you have read the first then go on and look at the fraudulent
Charge certificate.
[b]3.How do you make a determination of favour or disfavour under a
statute? This; disability, was more difficult, since it required a
judgement of comparison, others were far far simpler. [/b]
a.We take the Disability Discriminations Act 2005. Just one page to
read.
In proving the breaches of each statute, the course of conduct was
monitored and recorded meticulously, each arose in a series
of letters that showed incontrovertible logical inconsistencies.
Logical contradictions, contrarieties, sub contrarieties and other
formal disciples, will show the reasoning applied by the council's top
team of 21st century lawyers was irrational throughout.
Where a contradiction was identified; far too obviously and easily, it
determined and proved in most respects acts of constructive fraud.
Where a contradiction exists, the two assertions entail each other's
falsity. Meaning where revenue was behind the agenda of an action, it
rendered that action as Fraud, within the meaning of the Fraud Act
2006, Section Fraud by false representation.
There was no way out of the impasse, that is why the legal team were
replaced with a new team coming to court, to play the new game of not
being aware, and palliating a litany of breaches as a slight
imperfection of the system.
One letter alone, filled with 'admit nothing deny everything'
philosophy with at least 7 contradictions.
The full original letter, see exhibit 1, the essential textual
components. The original reply. The causal antecedents.
There's more now and worse to come.
The post has been updated with what I hope is to many a simple
exposition of the law of non contradiction in its formal setting, as
part of a far wider and more complex calculus of logic that is a very
exact science.
This may receive small embellishments, but will not be take much
further as most may find it a strain.
The logic is explained in rudimentary form at
http://www.logiclaw.co.uk/Injustice/#log
The rounding off in the clear and proven comparison of trashing the
Disability Discrimination Act is done here below, in clauses 3 and 4.
One could say it wasn't trashed but upheld, where discrimination was
against not in favour, a nice interpretation for the deceivers, not the
believer.
http://www.logiclaw.co.uk/Injustice/#let1
How do you make a determination of favour or disfavour under a statute?
This; disability, was more difficult, since it required a
judgement of comparison, others were far far simpler.
a.We take the Disability Discriminations Act 2005. Just one page to
read.
Now the farce gets deeper, It's June 2006, the case hasn't yet got
under way. I warned them a claim was going to come if they didn't stop,
sending them a draft to take notice. They warned me that they Fully
uphold statutes, in their repLIE. The disability Discriminations Act
was already in tatters, there was more to come. THEY wanted their
£50, and I had sent them £100 saying OK I am buying
the whole package up front, forget the discount. By now I had exchanges
with about six different people, NONE were a match for logic. They
weren't thinking, trained to do, not think Observe how they assert what
they deny in an earlier letter.
b.We are going to enforce for 60 seconds, AND we fully uphold the
Disability Act.
The floor is clear for the readers and kind gentlemen.
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Tony
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The new index, additional material.
Not for the faint hearted here.....
Link
at the end
Main Index Sections
1 - The Introduction.
2 - The Issues.
3 - The Claim.
4 - The Letters, Bold red highlighting indicates this is on the site
and available.
A.Five to ten contrarieties and contradictions in a single letter,
impossible to controvert.
B.The Fraudulent Charge Certificate impossible to controvert.
C.The Disability Discrimination Act comparing two cases. Discrimination
against for 60 seconds......
D.The Disability Discrimination Act thrown in the bin while fully
upholding it? How does one do that?
E.A contrariety in a bungled single sentence, clarifying to the
claimant what they are themselves confused about. Turning down the
£100 bonus.
While telling the claimant they are legally obliged to follow procedure
and breaking it while saying it. Warning the claimant the adjudicator's
decision is binding, but ensuring he never go top talk to one. Another
farce.
F.The allegation in probability theory and logic, suggesting the letter
was lost by temporal choreography, and admitting not sent out, typical.
G.Cancelling the Charge Certificate without so much as an apology. Call
it retreat with damage limitation.
H.The letter saying 'it has come to their attention' the Charge was
issued out of procedure under the RTA 1991 Schedule 6. Farce. Clearly I
hadn't told them in at least 6 exchanges, they found out by accident
and were putting it all right, how magnificent. Wonderful spin.
I.Hanging on the the bitter end for the PCN charge. They still wanted
it?
J.Locked up Freedom of Information letters with a key admission buried
in two pages of text hoping the claimant was blind as well as disabled.
K.A spin neuro linguistic spin letter cancelling the PCN in the
everlasting present continuous.....Amusing
L.Lawyers invited to court, running for cover under the vicarious
umbrella of the 'barking solutions depart-meant.'
M.The letter advising that the claim issued in the county court was a
letter seeking reassurance at the alter of the Gods. Lost in
translation spin.
N.Two collateral letters from the housing department coincidentally
pulling teeth to evict the claimant from his garage, under threat of
payment delinquency WHILE he was in credit £200 farce.
Collateral bullying that 's of course not vexation, never say that.
O.The same letter advising that the Council would NOT expect the
claimant to suffer harassment during and while he exercised his rights.
Not a joke.
P.Missing letters in the post, A second time, blaming the post office,
double indemnity, and spinning like a top, and backdating the whole
thing.
Q.The special ontological spin analytic argument that was supposed to
provide grounds for the strike out.
R.Palliation and extenuation in the hearing,
S.The TWO word expose of the spin neuro linguistic truth statement
concerning backdating to the silence of the Judge and the lawyers.
T.The null claim that then concluded as claim left at the court for
£1 million if the claimant's life threatening weight loss had
not stopped.
U.Letters to the councillors, MP, and CEO, all showing admit nothing
deny everything philosophy.
V.More to come, the possession order for a property that had to be
worth some £50 million pounds, collateral cases, common
purpose and more.
5 - The Judges Comments.
6 - Non-Compliance arguments,
7 - The Background
8 – Propositional Logic
HOW to disambiguate with laws of thought and logic,-- incontrovertibly.
The ONLY tool of 19-30 disciplines to disambiguate spin.
The Camden Council Code of Conduct
1 Introductions 3
2 Definitions 4
3 Purpose of the code of conduct 5
4 Key Principles 7
5 General Conduct Obligations 8
6 Conflicts of Interest 10
7 Personal Benefit 13
8 Relationship between Council Officials 15
9 Access to information and council resources 17
10 Reporting breaches, complaint handling procedures &
sanctions 20
11 Councillor misbehaviour 22
The play within a play, Hamlet, the Farce. And a double wammy in
'contradictio in adiecto.'
PAUSE
THEIR MOROCCO (Merchant of Venice) HANG ON ...... Am I getting muddled
up OR are they muddled up, trying hard to muddle ME up....... WORK IT
OUT.
1.the authority sending a Notice to Owner to the registered keeper of
the vehicle
2.This means that a Notice to Owner cannot be issued to the Registered
Keeper.
I GIVE UP. You try it out.
http://www.logiclaw.co.uk/Injustice/
YES indeed, hope there are no broken records here...
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ncmoody
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Thu Jan 31, 2008 10:52 pm
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Tony, where did you learn English.
Ferenganar, Cardassia Prime or is it a literal translation for the
original Klingon? |
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Tony
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Thank you for these!
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1.Any
chance of an "executive summary"? 2 short paras should do!
2.Tony, where did you learn English.
Ferenganar, Cardassia Prime or is it a literal translation for the
original Klingon? |
Regrettably clearly "your sense pursues not mine", care to look it; and
the remainder to the couplet up MfM Angelo to Isabella.
Here's betting you don't like the answers.
Is this short enough?...... One line. BOTH answer can be taken in a
variety of lengths, to the short and sleightful even those with a mote
in the mind's eye on my failings, that are very many...just read answers 1.........and
quit.
1.....Entire
procedure,misconduct from PCN to Court – CAUGHT. If not for
some, leave it alone.
OR
2......slightly longer, as said already, a complex case,
cannot be explained in a short E=Mc2, that is the foundation of a CERN,
the world's largest particle physics laboratory. This of course is much
much simpler......
Its'
like the SHORT story in part 1 of 5, that enlarges as it gets
worse........The MP who recently mis-appropriated just
£13K, then it rose to £260k, then over 3 yrs to
about £1.2 million, and he gets a nice holiday for two years
on full pay, yet another £280k while many fine very hard
working people, give their guts to be delivered such a mental
derogation in neuro linguistic misdirects and semantics, the public
mental health bill is now into billions. That simple. Mis-appropriate
IS NOT equal to embezzlemeant
tonights BBC , or even Theft. FOR
SOME who do two hours work a day....
OR
3..... Part I of the RTA 1991, and the readers are being
taken through its major areas of abuse to the public, in minute detail,
is below, it could be that long, after all you chaps here must be able
to read those, so what's the problem, see its length below? Even
councils presumably are aware of it, although they are blissfully not
aware of their own code of conduct.
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1.Tony,
where did you learn English.
Ferenganar, Cardassia Prime or is it a literal translation for the
original Klingon?[/
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The
short reply....
1.....If you find ENGLISH from the OED like any of the
above languages, then you should acquire the larger OED not the pocket
book size, the words I
use are in't for certain, Apologies if you don't recognise
my country's language.... although I make spelling mistakes and typos,
this is hardly a degree course.
Or
2......IF you had cared to read any of the deposed
material you would have come across the Cv's of myself Wife,and Son
Total 5 formal degrees, 2 informal, and capable of acquitting ourselves
on the the remaining topics reasonably well, but of course NOT remotely
competent in other disciplines...... nearly as well as those , albeit
also fluent in several foreign languages. Does that answer your
question honourable kind sir?
OR
3......I have been accused of using obtuse language often,
I have the right, and licence myself to speak as I find fit.. Those are
my standards.
If you wish to consider the analogous argument; I posted elsewhere in
response to an appeal to obscurantism, then like such appeals as
Appeal to Pity
Appeal to Ridicule
Appeal to Spite
Appeal to Derision,
and others like
Appeal to Incomprehensibility, Do
consider....
( so next time you watch a film in Japanese, like 'The Throne of
Blood', perhaps not understanding the language there), you will prefer
to criticise that author too because you failed to understand his
Japanese.
http://www.forceofdestiny.co.uk/Fallacies.html
Mostly cut and paste from here on.
OR
4....... Qualifications below.
This part has been edited; those intended to see it will have so done,
and as I do not like to place such material of a private nature too
openly. It remains where it has always been at the site links given in
some posts, where context is more apposite. The qualifications in the
list were 11 lines shortened to.
Son, Music Scholar at TWO cathedrals, and one famous school on organ,
piano violin, singing, with BSC, ON PGTC, with a new Academy beginning
this year. Wife, two formal degrees, 5 other disciples, one informally
at the level of a degree. Myself, two formal degrees, 5 other
disciples, two informally at the level of a degree.
Where
did you learn your English and Etiquette kind sir....???
1.A short or long answer is fine by me.
2. Where context precedes percept; an idea I derived from Shakespeare and Empson, I assure you I can read a
world of meaning in one word, but two are much much better. I
exposed complete perjury in the court, in two, showing cognitive
dissonance in an economic truth statement..... with the lawyers and
Judge listening in silence. Not a sign of controversion.... The case
ended.... Their not wishing me to traverse the full case..
The RTA to compare what is in store, at every stage almost pure farce.
The abuse list could even be this long...............AND the council
are in agreement that I exercise the right to impart, and receive such
info, EVEN MORE AMAZING isn't it?
OR
5.... The LONG answer on INSIGHT CAUGHT.....
General
Driving offences
The long list; over 90 lines, that was here, has been replaced by the
url.
http://www.logiclaw.co.uk/Acts/RTA1991/roadtraffic1/www.hmso.gov.uk/acts/acts1991/Ukpga_19910040_en_1.htm
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ncmoody
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One thing is for sure Tony.
You should see someone about your bout
of verbal diarrhoea !
As for your English, I have no problem with the words, just the way you
string them together.
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3......I have been accused of using obtuse language often, I have the
right, and licence myself to speak as I find fit.. Those are my
standards. |
Same as applies to me, I think! or should I say "what's sauce for the
Goose..." |
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theycantdothat
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Fri Feb 01, 2008 12:26 pm
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| As for
your English, I have no problem with the words, just the way you string
them together. |
That is my feeling, except that I would go further and say, on the
whole, I do not have too much of a problem with the sentences, but the
way you string them together. It is not length that is a problem with
your posts or the vocabulary you use, but that despite their prolixity,
your posts come over as elliptical. I find this frustrating as I know
you have important points to make, but there is little point in making
them if you make them in a way that no one (and that includes a few
lawyers who ought to be able to understand) can understand. Several
people have now come forward to say that they can make no sense of your
posts. I know that that is no proof that they are incomprehensible, but
I urge you to consider that you may get more response if you write in a
more amenable style suitable to a forum intended for the general reader
who does not have the benefit of your wide ranging and impressive
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Tony
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Well what a nice response. As expected, and
I did say you won't like my answer. And
expected you to not answer my question.
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see someone about your bout of verbal diarrhoea ! |
Typical
fallacy of appeal to derision! An unsound argument. Not one at all,
just a piece of sound bite for effect.
Clearly you had a
serious problem of reading the short list of fallacies I
gave you, and trod straight into one of the 'pats' you were shown to
avoid.
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| As for
your English, I have no problem with the words |
So what was the argument
about foreign languages as in Ferenganar, Cardassia that
clearly you profess to be an expert in, and couldn't understand plain
OED English, with a spice of play on words.
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| no problem
with the words just the way you string them together. |
Means you have a problem with the way I string them together. IE, you
likely don't like my manner also.
To resolve that problem, I suggest you take a course in syntax, double
entendre, quips, puns, and general manners, add a pinch of the semantic
conception of truth, then a course of examining the meaning of meaning
in a brief refresher of logic.
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| Same as
applies to me, I think!
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WHAT?
Not sure?
Well compare the
language of “bout of verbal diarrhoea
!”
and look for
similarities in my arguments. If you don't find any then
the analogy fails ,
as it has, sorry.
When constructing an analogy you will need to ensure the properties on
either side of the equation meet the requirement of sufficiency in
significant values that make them 'type members' of the class of
inferencing.
Such fun to play with words.
If that was the analogy you were relying on, then you usurped my
standards to your own reproof without providing grounds for your
standards (Ferenganar, Cardassia) being remotely of similar kind to
mine.
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say "what's sauce for the Goose..." |
Not in this case as I have just shown you the analogy doesn't hold.
If
I am the goose, using OED, literature, and Shakespeare's
language, then I hope you will see that your
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| Ferenganar,
Cardassia Prime or is it a literal translation for the original Klingon? |
Is
the 'sauce' precisely.
I wonder if you got that point, If not then we can all wait and as I
have said before;
Look, he's winding up the watch of his wit; by
and by it will strike.
I am out for the day, I won't waste time in the waiting either for the
strike or the answer to the question.
Play on words, such fun ! You have a nice day,
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| Several
people have now come forward to say that they can make no sense of your
posts. I know that that is no proof that they are incomprehensible, but
I urge you to consider that you may get more response if you write in a
more amenable style suitable to a forum intended for the general reader
who does not have the benefit of your wide ranging and impressive
educational achievements. |
This
I think is a nice
point well put, honestly with reasoned argument, and taken.
The term 'several' however is equally distributed by the obverse in
views, hence refuted in its equilibrium.
Thus I can controvert it, by saying that among those who do not
understand; and snipe, those who do, pay the converse in compliments.
Notwithstanding that, my posts here, and those I have touched on, have
been read by a total of some 32,000 reads, for about 8 threads. I see I
may be controversial, and don't mind the dialectic for it's purposes,
but point taken.
Perhaps I should say I prefer to write for a more specific audience,
where strict adherence
to rules that are arbitrary shows a sheepish compliance,
and generosity of spirit
is a quality hard to find.
Nice to exchange reasoned
language with you, after what has gone before.
Apologies for typo's, and infelicities, as usual.
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dls
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Tony,
If you post for your own pleasure, fine. If you want to persuade other
people of something, you have to make your posts legible to them. They
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ncmoody
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Thank you dls, I was beginning to think I was on my own.
The pity of all this is that from what I have been able to 'wade'
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Tony
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Tony,
If you post for your own pleasure, fine. If you want to persuade other
people of something, you have to make your posts legible to them. They
are not. |
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| If you
post for your own pleasure, fine. |
Yes
I do AND also
I post to show people what is happening around and to them,
by presenting FACTS written by an elected council, called AUTHORITY,
and showing how those we elect treat us.
I let them judge if the bulk of my comments are incontrovertible;
as I say they are, NOBODY
has done so. It would be nice if someone said TONY I found
NO contrarieties or contradictions and explained to me how they arrived
at their conclusions. WHEN they examine the evidence and quote the
phrases.
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want to persuade all other people of something, you have to make your
posts legible to them. |
NO
I rarely if ever try to persuade.
Please don't misunderstand this, It involves responsibilities one
should be careful of. Governments persuade and that's more than enough
highly questionable responsibility (having in mind WMD and NONE found
with lives lost) for all of us to swallow.
I refer you to Oscar Wilde Picture of Dorian Gray, Chap 2, "There is no
such thing as a good influence, Mr. Gray. All influence is immoral--immoral
from the scientific point of view." I think this has
value.
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posts legible. They are not. |
Presumably you speak here for 'other
people'.
This is easily verified.
I suggest for a period of say 7-10 days, all those people who DON'T
understand what I have said, write in to this post,
QUOTING what they don't understand, and I will
explain, say every 48
hours, giving others
a chance to do so before me. AND see if you speak for all
of the 'other people'.
.
I can already take on board that PeterM24 and ncmoody to begin with,
DONT.
Although ncmoody's last post suggests he has altered his stance.
To re-iterate, I am happy to explain if they quote what they refer to,
and after giving others a chance to do so first, I will step forward
and clarify what remains obscure.
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I dont have the strength to read them...thats the problem! Tony do you
copy and paste...or are you an extremely quick typer? |
I
am a quick typist, and
where I cut and paste it's either
fairly obvious or I
stated so, please refer back to the link in the previous
answer, you will see I said
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and paste from here on. |
I answered it, you asked a question already answered.
If you also note I did say a
number of times, it is NOT for some, they should read
other posts. Clearly it's not for you, as you say, which with respect
is suggested as your
problem rather than THE
problem, since you declared you
have not the strength.
All
were warned to leave it if it caused problems. If people
don't head a warning then they are likely in for a bout of
'Aristotelian justice that can remain unexplained at this point, being
of little import.
I
made it simple, saying
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is complex |
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the faint hearted here..... |
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cannot understand the details in logic, and disambiguation reasoning.
then IT IS NOT FOR THEM. |
Please
check back...
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Thank you
dls, I was beginning to think I was on my own.
The pity of all this is that from what I have been able to 'wade'
through Tony may have something interesting to say. |
This appears to be a change of heart, please refer to what has been
said above, and let's all see what is so incomprehensible. While I say
that Logic has been my own special discipline for many many years, the
language there IS more like a calculus so in that respect I see why it
may be difficult for some, but cannot be altered, only explained.
I am expecting a flood of posts as to what is not understood.
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Bakedalasker
Joined: 06 Nov 2006
Posts: 1067
Location: South France
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Fri Feb 01, 2008 9:14 pm
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I reckon I'm in the majority here. I just
ignore his posts for reasons mentioned by the other posters. Tony
obviously is committed to his cause whatever that is. He lost me with
it through his communication techniques. Add to the fact he also get
judgemental on other users who oppose his arguments.
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Woolfy
Joined: 16 May 2006
Posts: 357
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Fri Feb 01, 2008 9:15 pm
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SALGADO INVESTIGATIONS

Joined: 14 Jun 2007
Posts: 552
Location: CROYDON, SURREY
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Posted:
Sat Feb 02, 2008 12:05 am
Post subject: Re: INSIGHT! Entire procedure,misconduct from
PCN to Court 2 |
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Caught!
UPDATED Mon, 28 Jan 2008 11:19:43 SEE BOTTOM OF PAGE.
INSIGHT! CAMDEN council.
The 60 seconds that put them under notice inviting them to a 'caught'!
This case; one of about six coming, that will be linked at the main
site index, is a detailed hold-your-hand through the entire Road
Traffic Act 1991, Parking Adjudicators - PATAS, Traffic Enforcement
TEC, and the Local County Court.
The council’s derogation of essential parts of it, along with
their their own code of conduct., used as a distraction, further the
interests of revenue, ahead of principles of Truth, Tort, Justice and
Fairness, by means of incentivised, and wholesale manufacture of
opportunism to confer SUBTRACTIONS described as
‘AWARDS’. One; of many, consequences is that the
increased power, re-labelled as ‘authority’
influences each court it comes in contact with, in a manner that
compromises that court’s integrity also.
At each stage of the process; referred to by PATAS reviews et al, as a
scheme; OED 5b. A plan of action devised in order to attain some end; a
purpose together with a system of measures contrived for its
accomplishment; a project, enterprise. Often with unfavourable notion,
a self-seeking or an underhand project,
FIVE INCONTROVERTIBLE SELF CONTRADICTIONS in just ONE LETTER alone;
others following, up to 12 contrarieties in that same single page
letter. Why this case being placed in the public Domain? It is an
ongoing process whose causal determinants belong to the council, as
former defendant; tacitly consenting by way of failure in response to
an invitation to resolve.
Then look at the second page and SEE EXACTLY how a Charge certificate
is manufactured in a false cause, by ECONOMIC and economic truth that
implies falsity. The council have expressly decided to not resolve the
issue, and tacitly consented to the move to publish all. Those
exchanges will be printed to show how and why.
The case is complex, only two letters of about twelve are seen at this
time. If people cannot understand the details in logic, and
disambiguation reasoning. then IT IS NOT FOR THEM.
Direct link
http://www.logiclaw.co.uk/Injustice/
The second page in this case has been posted, The fraudulent charge
certificate that manufactures commissions by way of omissions. HOW it
is done exactly.
The main link; that should be read first is
the two newer pages are
http://www.logiclaw.co.uk/Injustice/l1.html
and
http://www.logiclaw.co.uk/Injustice/l2.html
Old Menu link here....
http://www.logiclaw.co.uk/cmp_abs/index.html
The second case; known at http://www.twtanb.co.uk,/ is set to be
increased in the exchanges that took place in and out of court with the
court with the staff at Camden, and with the MP. Other cases will be
pinned to the main menu later, this is a lengthy task in the
unravelling, given the time alloted for such a thing that ought to not
even exist.
Sorry I am inadequately available at the present time to comment on
replies, PLEASE, IF ITS NOT FOR YOU, THEN DON'T READ IT. It's intended
to unravel and show truths about what is going on behind the
countenance of moral rectitude and probity that all is not what it
seems to be, and is presented as. The whole sequence relies mainly on
self contradictions, so it is an examination of how the parking laws
are being used to manufacture revenue in false cause actions.
What you will see at this stage is the allegations, claim, indefensible
false representations, truths and proofs, with the Judges comments AT
the short two hour hearing.
The other cases coming are of a similar nature, and in one case, a
large nationally known courier, the monitoring has gone on for months,
and shows procedural improprieties are rife.
For the new statutory legislation on parking the link for them is here.
http://www.logiclaw.co.uk/Acts/acts.html
The New Road Traffic Acts 2007. There are several useful parts in two
new procedures for appeals, but generally the new loosening of issuing
tickets for DRIVING, (away it is suggested) while parking are the major
new change giving licence to errant peccant wardens and councils to
increase incentivised issue of PCNs, for trivia, while trivialising
their own improprieties, the new nice name for offences.
APOLOGIES for any infelicities in advance, there is considerable
material to publish, and no hurry whatsoever. This has its pressures as
well as being distateful, so any errors please forgive with some little
tolerance. This is intended to help and clarify. It has no doubt its
imperfections, just like the daft drafts we are looking at which are
not quite so daft considering their design and purpose that is
perfectly clear.
For those whose views take the path, THIS IS TOO LONG, and BREVITY IS
THE SOUL OF WIT, it is suggested they take a short equation, E=MC2, and
explain it in ten words, OR explain in ten words why for example a
court case can't be properly summed up in 5 words, but gets published
in pages of justifications. Then take a book of law, and ask why anyone
bothered to publish its 400 pages when a word to the wise will suffice.
Verbum satis sapientis. Then take to task the man who wrote 'brevity is
the souls of wit' Shakespeare, and reason in ten words why he wrote 38
pieces and couldn't do it in a sentence.
It is hoped, but not expected, this will be useful to those who are at
the wrong end of. “Ignorance of the law is no s
excuse.”
Sat, 26 Jan 2008 15:14:03
The site has been updated, two sections,
Contributors
Pages, look at Barry Moss's contributions.
http://www.logiclaw.co.uk/pages/index.html
And
More detail, with added exchanges, so far this is about 10% of the case
material. Direct links for each letter, are at the top of the page.
http://www.l | | | | |