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Tony



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 12:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Bakedalasker
I reckon I'm in the majority here. I just ignore his posts for reasons


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He lost me


Why are you back? Just to gripe and snipe, or simply contradict yourself while ignoring?

On the BoR thread, you will recall our exchange.

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So from that I'll let you judge what camp I'm in.


HERE you say.

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he also get judgemental


You invite me to Judge, and then reprove me for so doing. Fascinating.
This reminds me of council thinking. You could do well acting for them you know.

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Woolfy
I have several clients like Tony. They make me want to hang myself.


Many people feel like that!

It's your choice what to do about the feeling! Most solicitors take the money and repress it.

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This reminds me a cross between Master Yoda


You re-posted almost the entire thread. Are you advertising ME or YOUR surveillance services?

It reminds me of an encyclopaedia salesman.

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It's not that I don't understand it


Good news, we found someone who understands IT and Yoda too.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 5:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tony, it is very clear what people are saying about your posts. Instead of trying to get one up on everyone why dont you take in what people are saying about you and do something about it.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 7:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tony,

Please go back to what I said.
If what you want to do is to talk to yourself in public, then you are succeeding.

If what you want to do is to persuade somebody of something, then, if they are not hearing, it is never ever their fault. It must be yours. They can pass by with undisturbed indifference. It is you who wants something. You want other people to agree with or take in interest in what you say.

Sadly, the way you express yourself creates a hurdle over which others would have to jump before they could begin to see whether they agree. Remove the hurdle, and you might have a chance.

You have some very intelligent, very well educated, very interested and quite open minded people trying to listen. They cannot hear you.

As we move into days of HDTV, it is as if you are still insisting on transmitting on 625-line B/W with added bad fog. You may see it as the reverse, but transmitting HDTV to the owners of 625 line B/W TVs makes no more sense.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 9:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

dls, here, here, very well put.
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Tony



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 5:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gentlemen, what is being discussed in the posts that followed the complex topic, is in fact very very simple. In subsequent posts the material NO LONGER is complex but merely refers to the complexities of the first post. Thus arguments in the subsequent posts, are boringly simple.

Firstly, while I am impressed by the gathering of forces in agreement, I am far from convinced that the gathering denotes strength of argument or cogency of reasoning, as opposed to the appetite to group in order to strengthen the arguments. For MANY years, I have regarded a majority view as far from represententative of truth; merly by numbers, where a specialised view is the contrary far closer to it.

I hope that is clear and simple enough. Since you desire I make it SIMPLE.
Secondly,

I suggest you peruse my last post, and re-examine its crushing simplicity. I've posted it again; at the end here, as for some who may not have the strength to go back, or prefer to ignore, overlook and conveniently forget; because it serves, what they said or wish to reformulate!

Invariably I used YOUR OWN words. RE-examine my responses to the fallacious reasoned argument forms you constantly deliver. The longest word I used, four syllables – 'fascinating' is a simple one too.

Unlike 'theycantdothat' whose recent contribution denote and shows clearly he HAS learned circumspection and care how to argue cogently, you remain grouped together holding hands for strength in numbers rather than sound reason, that I shall highlight parts of only.

For those who wish to respond, they should READ what is said before so doing, otherwise faults flow. For those in the know, leave it and follow your own desires elsewhere is the suggestion.

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Tony, it is very clear what people are saying about your posts. Instead of trying to get one up on everyone why dont you take in what people are saying about you and do something about it.


Clearly to re-iterate, ( Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 7:59 pm) “your sense pursues not mine” MfM. I gave you the reference, you OUGHT TO look it up and read what I left out. It was delivered half baked for you to fully bake.

I suggest you are more consistent, IF you practice what you preach. “absent thee from felicity a while” Hamlet; to derogating projections of your inner faults of reasoning, and examine the mirror of your forms of arguments where what I have shown you reveals it is YOU who should “do something about the want of correspondece in words and deeds”

1. 'Ignoring' while persistently returning,
2. 'Accusing of judgements', while inviting them,
3. 'Reckoning you are in the majority', while NOBODY YET has posted an enquiry to any thing specifically they didn't understand. That's YOUR majority, at present THREE or four; holding hands, among some thousands of clicks; on all my posts, hoping for strength in numbers, while being impatient in the thrust to make it so, because it was said, without visible grounds. A quick gripe and snipe is more like what you are dong.
4. If you think I am ambitioned simply “ to get one up on everyone”, you are regrettably so mistaken you project your inner desires to others, suggesting a hint of self insufficiency.
5. I am solely interested in the PURSUIT of TRUTH and sound correspondence theory, APOLOGIES here if THESE terms are too complex for you.
6.If as a consequence of my showing flaws in your argument forms, you feel I got one up on YOU, then you alone felt it, others who read, and refrained from debate were UNTOUCHED. THEY observed it as they SHOULD, as an honest pursuit and interest in sound argument forms; using an expose as the substrate material. NO prejudice ever was intended, and hopefully never delivered disgracefully. Please be fully assured you figure far too little in my life and interests to favour you with some personal desire to deliver such derogations, or anyone else. For me such a notion is contrary to my very raison d'etre. (I trust the little French is not too obscure). I am not operating on your wavelength, solely interested in improving. All that is of interest to me, is a sound debate well and cogently argued, I do not regard your input constitutes what I was hoping or looking for remotely. IF you care to practice what YOU preach, then I suggest you do “ignore” this post as you yourself say you do but contradict in NOT so doing.

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Tony,
Please go back to what I said.
If what you want to do is to talk to yourself in public, then you are succeeding.
If what you want to do is to persuade somebody of something, then, if they are not hearing, it is never ever their fault. It must be yours. They can pass by with undisturbed indifference. It is you who wants something. You want other people to agree with or take in interest in what you say.
Sadly, the way you express yourself creates a hurdle over which others would have to jump before they could begin to see whether they agree. Remove the hurdle, and you might have a chance.
You have some very intelligent, very well educated, very interested and quite open minded people trying to listen. They cannot hear you.
As we move into days of HDTV, it is as if you are still insisting on transmitting on 625-line B/W with added bad fog. You may see it as the reverse, but transmitting HDTV to the owners of 625 line B/W TVs makes no more sense.


You are kind to re-iterate what you said in the first attempt, but not so to have failed to address the answer I gave, while repeating the same point differently framed as if to say I MEANT etc. .

Please go back to what I said. HERE IS the relevant part.

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If you post for your own pleasure, fine. If you want to persuade other people of something, you have to make your posts legible to them. They are not.


I gave you TWO answers, A YES AND, A NO, plus Oscar Wilde.

They were I should have thought SIMPLE enough, no complexities in YES and NO surely?

I repeated them, at the end here, nothing changed just because you wanted to change or embellish on your original, to an ANSWER I GAVE to that original and NOT the new formulation, with analogies to HDTV.

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If what you want to do is to persuade somebody of something, then, if they are not hearing, it is never ever their fault.


I perceive this is NOT a site for hearing but READING, and as such NOBODY reads BEYOND a word, or sentence or paragraph UNLESS they wish to.

If listening, it's difficult to avoid the material without leaving or covering the ears. THUS reading; unlike listening, IS consensual IF they went that far, then they were imbibing, willingly, as distinct from listening to, the thoughts there contained. Where they didn't like them, they either departed, or said so before departing, often in a manner that appealed to some fallacy of reasoning or emotion, rather than simply state, That's NOT for me, AND try to; as alaska says GET ONE OVER on ME. and therefore blame me; for that want in themselves.

I will not continue the disambiguation of your reply post, because [b]I did ANSWER the earlier one[/b], you simply ignored what I said, in your second, by re-presenting two IF statements differently formulated, wher that conjecture, was already addressed substantially, and required no further embellishment. DO check it out, You had the answers already.

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dls, here, here, very well put.


Yes it was well put, nicely argued and presented, the problem was it overlooked my answer. And continued and expanded on an unnecessary for into a fallacious form in listening where only reading is being carried out here at all!

This continuity of sequences blurs the original form is pursuit of a misdirect.

I have observed many type of responses of a particular feature widespread in legal activities, where one asks twenty questions and receives a misdirect answering one or something one never asked. As in a student giving puff relies to an exam, he can't actually properly answer, OR wishes to hide in a smokescreen response that hides a fault that he doesn't understand the question or else it was NOT what he was hoping for, and gives the answer to the question he was hoping for in modified form hoping it goes unnoticed.

That's just a BTW comment.

A final point IF anyone took the time to bother and examine the ONE letter the council wrote with so many contradictions it wouldn't hold a bucket of water in full free fall.

I am writing a book; whose index is THERE also, and certainly not for this forum, and has not been concealed for a moment, currently at 400 pages, on argument forms, and the material I found on a number of sites; being sights for sore eyes, are of exemplary interest.

That is why I use the refrain 'such fun with words on occasion'.

I hope that clarifies things a little more, that was presented to those who LOOKED.
I regret I do not agree with the points made, I reserve that right please, we are not YET in a despotic or tyrannical society, though it's fast moving that way with NLP, PR, common purpose, and “independent” bodies whose names alone are the only honest things about them. 'Cucullus non facit monachum'. Forget it or Google it.

Apologies for typo's and any infelicities or errors in syntax or grammar.
NO prejudice intended, Solely interested in sound reasonig forms I hope that is clear.n

The previous answers in the original form a clear YES and NO. NOW IN RED...
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Tony,
If you post for your own pleasure, fine. If you want to persuade other people of something, you have to make your posts legible to them. They are not.


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If you post for your own pleasure, fine.


Yes I do AND also I post to show people what is happening around and to them, by presenting FACTS written by an elected council, called AUTHORITY, and showing how those we elect treat us.

I let them judge if the bulk of my comments are incontrovertible; as I say they are, NOBODY has done so. It would be nice if someone said TONY I found NO contrarieties or contradictions and explained to me how they arrived at their conclusions. WHEN they examine the evidence and quote the phrases.

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If you want to persuade all other people of something, you have to make your posts legible to them.


NO I rarely if ever try to persuade.

Please don't misunderstand this, It involves responsibilities one should be careful of. Governments persuade and that's more than enough highly questionable responsibility (having in mind WMD and NONE found with lives lost) for all of us to swallow.

I refer you to Oscar Wilde Picture of Dorian Gray, Chap 2, "There is no such thing as a good influence, Mr. Gray. All influence is immoral--immoral from the scientific point of view." I think this has value.

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make you posts legible. They are not.


Presumably you speak here for 'other people'.

This is easily verified. Etc etc etc. Sorry for the LATIN!

I don't see much in that reply that failed to address your point, but do see in your emebellished responss you skipped my answer.

I have refrained from providing the reply with the proper formal constructions of the propositions presented, and disambiguated; as clearly no person here is likely to understand it or wish to.

I expect one word, or several lines in sound bites.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 6:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh baby baby, oh baby baby

Oh baby baby, how was I supposed to know
That something wasnt right here
Oh baby baby, I shouldnt have let you go
And now youre out of sight, yeah
Show me how you want it to be
Tell me baby cuz I need to know now, oh because

Chorus
My loneliness is killin me (and I)
I must confess I still believe (still believe)
When Im not with you I lose my mind
Give me a sign, hit me baby one more time!

Oh baby baby, the reason I breathe is you
Boy youve got me blinded
Oh pretty baby, theres nothin that I wouldnt do
Thats not the way I planned it

Show me how you want it to be
Tell me baby cuz I need to know now, oh because

Chorus

Oh baby baby, how was I supposed to know
Oh pretty baby, I shouldnt have let you go
I must confess that my loneliness
Is killin me now
Dont you know I still believe
That you will be here
And give me a sign, hit me baby one more time

Chorus

I must confess (my loneliness) that my loneliness
(is killing me) is killing me now
(I must confess) dont you (I still believe) know I still believe
That you will be here (I lose my mind)
And give me a sign...
Hit me baby one more time!

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See, it makes just as much sense!
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 6:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

YES and NO, Yes it makes sense, and NO becasue it's irrelevent.

Perhaps your next reply is
INDEED!
From your own vocabulary.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 6:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Indeed, but it prompted your shortest reply yet.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 7:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tony:

My mum used to have a saying about people like you.

"Everybody is out of step but our johnny"
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 7:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I thought you were predictable enough to bite the bait.

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Indeed, but it prompted your shortest reply yet.


The REASON is more disastrous.
Because you presented NO argument worth the investigation or reply!


Two Indeeds on the DVLA post, prompted by me here, and the fourth by you, was what I wanted to confirm in your extensive vocabulary.

Three indeeds sounds like a broken record. If it takes more than ONE second forget it just spit against the wind, for the same.
Good night.

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My mum used to have a saying about people like you.

"Everybody is out of step but our johnny"



Fallacy !......Appeal to authority!


Problem, your mum is to you a figure of authority ALAS not to me.

Probably Johhny was the savviest of you all from what you have to say.
Good Night!


Such fun, enjoyed chattering! Such poor adversarial material!

There's far more, even on the weakest Springer program than is found here today. Suggestion for the night.....

You go there while I have watch of something better.

You can leave your one/two liners for the bin liner Monday.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 8:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tony, you talk utter crap. You use words out of context. Is English your first language?
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 8:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't want to take up all of DLS' bandwith, but if it serves a good cause:

Me no bubbletious
Me smoke heavy tar
Me be groovin' slowly where you are
Notify your next of kin
'Cause you're never coming back
I've been dropping beats since Back in Black

And we'll paint by numbers
'Til something sticks
Don't mind doing it for the kids
(So come on) jump on board
Take a ride (yeah)
(You'll be doin' it all right)
Jump on board feel the high
'Cause the kids are alright

You've got a reputation
Well I guess that can be explored
You're dancing with the chairman of the board
Take a ride on my twelve cylinder symphony
But if you got other plans
The purpose of a woman is to love her man

And we'll paint by numbers
'Til something sticks
Don't mind doing it for the kids
(So come on) jump on board
Take a ride (yeah)
(Doin' it all right)
Jump on board feel the high
'Cause the kids are alright

I'm gonna give it all of my loving
It's gonna take up all of my love
I'm gonna give it all of my loving
It's gonna take up all of my love
I'm gonna give it all of my loving
It's gonna take up all of my love
I'm gonna give it all of my loving
It's gonna take up all of my love

Come down from the ceiling
I didn't mean to get so high
I couldn't do what I wanted to do
When my lips were dry
You can't just up and leave me
I'm a singer in a band
Well I like drummers baby
You're not my bag

Jump on board
Take a ride, yeah
(You'll be doin' it all right)
Jump on board feel the high, yeah

Jump on board
Take a ride, yeah
(You'll be doin' it all right)
Jump on board feel the high, yeah

I'm an honorary Sean Connery, born '74
There's only one of me
Single-handedly raising the economy
Ain't no chance of the record company dropping me
Press be asking do I care for sodomy
I don't know, yeah, probably
I've been looking for serial monogamy
Not some bird that looks like Billy Connolly
But for now I'm down for ornithology
Grab your binoculars, come follow me
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 8:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 11:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

smg, are u trying to soothe tony with some britney and robbie and kylie?! it seemed to work! Surprised
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 11:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Woolfy wrote:
Tony, you talk utter crap. You use words out of context. Is English your first language?


Oh no Woolfy, you have now given Tony more opportunity to take up alot more bandwidth than the average user on this site. Get ready for an avalanche of the OED and what qualifications he has.

Tony, what I ignore is the purpose of this post. What I wont ignore is your efforts to belittle users who slightly oppose your views or the way you communicate. I agree with Woolfy in the fact you use words out of context and also I believe you manipulate sentences of others to try and prove a point.

Tony, do us all a favour. Dont make it Good Night, make it Good Bye.
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